Sorry for my absence….

I apologize for my absence this week.  But I haven’t been reading; I’m back on a podcast binge.

My sister talked me into re-watching The West Wing, which is one of my all time favorite TV shows.  Which lead me to listen to the highly entertaining The West Wing Weekly podcast.  The WWW covers one episode of the WW week by week.  It may seem odd to start a podcast about a show 17 years after it premiered, but I’m going to tell you this – it works.  And it’s a really good podcast.  They have had stars of the show on (which is highly entertaining) and I kind of forgot how great the show is.

Thanks to Crime Writers On, I listened to the In the Dark podcast, which is the story of the disappearance of Jacob Wetterling, an 11-year old boy who disappeared in 1989 and whose murder has just recently been solved.  It’s a well told story of police screw ups and a family’s 27 year search for answers.

While listening to the Undisclosed Addendum, I was introduced to Accused podcast, which tells the story of the murder of Elizabeth Andes in 1978.  Beth’s boyfriend, Bob Young, found her body and called police, and was immediately taken into custody and charged with murder, before the crime scene was even processed.  He was acquitted in the criminal case, and the family filed a civil suit against him, in which he was found not liable.  Another story of police screw ups  and trying to find who may have killed Beth.  Very interesting podcast.

There has also been updates on the Breakdown podcast, which is covering the case of Ross Harris, who left his 2 year old son in a hot car, leading to his death.  As you can see, I like true crime podcasts…

The Real Crime Profile podcast is now covering the JonBenet Ramsey case, talking specifically about the four hour docu-series that was just on CBS.  Their analysis and thoughts on the case are really interesting.

I hope to get back into reading next week.  Hope you all have a great weekend.


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Top Ten Tuesday – Audio freebie

Top Ten Tuesday is a weekly meme hosted by The Broke and the Bookish blog.

Today’s topic:  All About Audio freebie —  aka top ten audiobooks you should listen to, 10 books I want to listen to on audio,10 bands you should check out, 10 podcasts you should be listening to, 10 of my all time favorite albums, 10 songs I love, really whatever you can come up with.

I don’t listen to audiobooks so I’m going with:

Podcasts you should be listening to

Undisclosed: The State vs. Joey Watkins.  Undisclosed is hosted by Rabia Chaudry, the woman who brought Adnan Syed’s story to Sarah Koenig.  The team has taken on a new case, the case of Joey Watkins, who was convicted on murder on very little evidence.  It’s a very interesting case.

Truth & Justice.  Another podcast that spawned after the first season of Serial, and hosted by Bob Ruff, T&J is now tackling two cases in the incredibly corrupt Tyler, Texas area.  Bob also gives us updates on Adnan’s case as they arise.  Bob is an incredibly compassionate man and is a good storyteller.

Crime Writers On.  A Serial spin-off.  Notice a trend??  CWO covers Serial, other podcasts, pop culture, fiction, true crime, you name it.  Very entertaining podcast.  They spent a majority of a recent episode talking about Stranger Things, so I love them even more now.

Serial.  Obviously, my love of podcasts started from Serial.  While I didn’t love season 2 as much as season 1, I still love Sarah’s storytelling style.

Real Crime Profile.  Hosted by Jim Clemente, former FBI Profiler, Laura Richards, former Scotland Yard profiler and advocate for domestic abuse victims, RCP is a deep dive into crimes.  They have discussed cases like OJ Simpson, Oscar Pistorius and now JonBenet Ramsey.  Incredibly interesting.

Breakdown.  This podcast is a little different in that it only airs when there is new details about the cases they are covering.  They covered the case of Justin Chapman, who was accused of murdering his neighbor in a fire and Justin Harris, who is being tried for murder, after leaving his young son in a hot car all day, where he later died.  Not as polished as other podcasts, but the content is very interesting.

Criminal.  Hosted by Phoebe Judge, who has a Sarah Koenig type voice, Criminal is short stories told about more obscure crimes (stealing wood from protected trees, blackmarket bourbon).  They are all short stories but incredibly interesting.

Actual Innocence.  Stories of people convicted then released from jail after being proven innocent.  A newer podcast, but it’s told by the person who did the jail time, with occasional narration by the host.

Limetown.  The only non-crime podcast I listen to.  This is so outside my normal realm, but I love this podcast.  In fact, at first, I didn’t know if it was real or fiction.  Told beautifully by it’s fictional host, it’s a great mystery.  Can’t wait for the next season.

Which podcasts do you like?  Always looking for true crime recs (though Sword & Scale is too dark for me).

Happy listening.


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Feature & Follow


Feature and Follow is a blog hop hosted by Parajunkie and AlisonCanRead.

This week’s topic is:

What are your favorite podcasts – both bookish and non-bookish podcasts?

This is a great topic.  I love podcasts.  I don’t listen to any bookish podcasts.  Here is my list:

  • Serial
  • Undisclosed
  • Truth & Justice
  • True Crime Garage
  • Real Crime Profile
  • Crime Writers On
  • Breakdown
  • Limetown
  • Criminal

What podcasts do you listen to?  I’m always looking for new things to listen to.

Happy Friday!



Why Maryland would be foolish to retry Adnan Syed

As by now you’ve heard, Adnan Syed, subject of Serial Season 1, has been granted a new trial and his conviction vacated.  Now it’s a matter of getting Adnan bail and getting him the hell out of prison as fast as possible.

The State of Maryland will likely push to retry Adnan for Hae’s murder.  Here are some reasons why they shouldn’t.

  • Obviously, the cell tower data, which was at the forefront of Adnan’s first trial, has been proven to be unreliable.  That would obliterate the state’s timeline as to when Hae’s body was buried (which the Undisclosed team did as well).  The state would have to come up with a whole new timeline, which would mean…
  • Jay would have to testify again.  Anyone who has listened to Serial and Undisclosed knows that Jay lies.  Constantly.  He has about nine versions of what happened the day that Hae died, including the infamous “trunk pop”, which has been disproven by medical experts.  Even if the state called Jay to testify, Jay would likely plead the 5th and be an ineffective witness.
  • Asia’s alibi would come into play.  Two days after Adnan’s arrest, Asia wrote to Adnan stating that she saw him at the library at the supposed time of Hae’s death.  Asia would be called as a witness, and her testimony would again blow the state’s timeline.
  • Justin and Adnan’s team of attorney’s would be able to introduce other possible suspects.  Don should be very worried now that the new trial has been granted, because he will most definitely be called to testify, since his alibi has been proven to be false by Bob.
  • All the evidence the Undisclosed team found would be put into play.  Hae’s paycheck not being cashed, the lividity and most damning the tapes of Jay’s interviews with detectives when they tap, tap, tapped Jay through questioning.  I’m sure Ritz and McGillivary are in great moods today (sarcasm).
  • Adnan has a competent attorney now.  Justin is not going to let things slip through the cracks like Christina G (rest in peace) did.  He’s going to follow up on every lead at his disposal.

Sarah Koenig originally brought us the story of Adnan, and relayed it to us beautifully.  However, Adnan getting a new trial would not be possible if not for Rabia Chaudry, Susan Simpson and Colin Miller from the Undisclosed team.  The details they uncovered about this case were amazing.  Bob Ruff from the Truth & Justice podcasts also made significant discoveries relating to Don and his alibi.  Congratulations to all of them on their hard work and dedication, and I look forward to seeing what happens next.

Lastly, congratulations to Asia McClain, who gave birth to her third child on the same day Adnan’s conviction was vacated.

Have a fantastic 4th of July holiday!


Adnan Syed is getting a new trial!

I don’t know Adnan Syed.  I’ve never met him, but I feel like he’s a member of my family.  And just a few minutes ago, Judge Welch ruled that Adnan would be granted a new trial and his conviction vacated.  This new trial is being granted on the cell phone evidence presented on the Undisclosed Podcast (which, if you liked Serial Season 1, you MUST listen to) proving that the cell tower evidence was not correct during his trial.

This is still a developing story, but it’s so exciting that I had to write a short post.  Proud to be an American today!



Serial’s ‘sophomore slump’ Season 2 has come to an end


I was SO excited for Serial Season 2 to begin. Season 1 was really groundbreaking – it introduced us to Adnan Syed, who in 1999 was charged and convicted of murdering his ex-girlfriend, Hae Min Lee.  Serial S1 was riveting in that it brought us a case we weren’t aware of.  Most people outside of Baltimore had not heard about this case, but now, the entire country knows about Adnan, and the fact that he was convicted on really flimsy evidence at the hands of a defense attorney whose health was failing.

Serial S1 also spawned two “spin-off’s” – Undisclosed and Truth & Justice. These spin-off’s weren’t your typical podcasts – none of the hosts were podcasters by trade, or even journalists.  They were people who felt that Adnan was wrongfully convicted and set out to make a difference in his case.  And they have.  During Serial S2, Adnan had a Post Conviction Relief hearing, based on evidence discovered by the Undisclosed team.  Adnan is awaiting the judge’s decision on whether he will receive a new trial.  So to say that S1 was a success would be an understatement.  It’s successful not just because of the podcast itself, but based on the fact that someone’s life may change based on the podcast even airing.

Serial S2 followed the story of Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, who in June of 2009, walked off his Army base in Afghanistan in the middle of the night and was captured by the Taliban, where he was subsequently held for five years. Bergdahl was interviewed for this story not by Sarah Koenig (SK), but by Mark Boal, a filmmaker who is making a movie about Bowe’s case.  Sarah never spoke with Bowe directly (at least not that we heard).  This is itself made the season less interesting.  One of the things I loved most about S1 was hearing SK talk to Adnan on the phone.  It brought something to the story that was just missing from S2.

I also had a hard time feeling anything really about this story. SK would talk to people in Afghanistan whose names I can’t pronounce or remember.  She talked about place on the map I couldn’t visualize and used a lot of military jargon that went right over my head.

In the end, we know that Bowe walked away to make a statement about the way his commanding officers acted. Was that a smart decision?  No.  He ended up paying dearly by being held captive for five years, tortured and starved.

There were some moments in S2 that were interesting. Hearing Bowe’s back story, about his upbringing, being home schooled and a little “socially awkward” to hearing about his stint in the Coast Guard not working out.  In a way, the Army should hold some blame for accepting a soldier who was clearly not cut out for the kind of life he’d be expected to lead.  What’s more, there won’t be any spin-off podcasts, because nobody can help Bowe with this predicament.

Overall, I found Serial’s second season to be a disappointment. This story just didn’t have the appeal of the first season for so many reasons.  But it’s not going to prevent me from listening to Season 3.  I’m hopeful that the subject of season 3 will be similar to that of season 1.  But I’d honestly listen to SK read me the phone book…..

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Top 10 Tuesday – Top 10 Things I’d like to see happen as a result of Adnan Syed’s PCR Hearing

It’s Tuesday, and we are in the (hopefully) final day of Adnan Syed’s Post Conviction Relief hearing.  I’ve been obsessively following Adnan’s case for a while now, and I couldn’t be more excited at the prospect of Adnan receiving a new trial – or even better – a vacated sentence.

Here are the Top 10 Things I would like to see happen as a result of Adnan’s PCR Hearing.

10.  I would like to see legislation enacted to prevent the police and prosecution from bullying and coercing false confessions.  I have a feeling there a lot of “Adnan’s” in the state of Maryland, and hopefully, if Adnan is granted a new trial, the state will see the need for a change in the system.

9.  I would like to see the state pay for what they’ve done to Adnan.  If Adnan is eventually released, he should sue the state for millions for dollars for ruining is name and the years of his life they cost him.

8.  I would like to know, finally, who received the CrimeStoppers reward.  I have a feeling I know who received, but it would be good to hear it straight from the states mouth.

7.  I’d like to see the DNA from this case finally tested to prove who the real killer is.

6.  I’d like to see a closer look paid to Don.  I’ve always felt Don was fishy, he created a false alibi (proven) and wasn’t as in to Hae as she was to him.  He technically had no alibi for the 13th, so he should be, at the very least, considered a suspect.

5.  I would like to see Jay held accountable for his lies and actions since January 13, 1999.  I don’t believe Jay had anything to do with the murder, but since he admitted to being an accessory to murder, he should have received a jail sentence but got off scott free.  I’m willing to bet that Jay, more than anyone, is hoping Adnan doesn’t get a new trial.

4.  I want to see Ritz & MacGillivary face some consequences for what they did to Adnan, and in a small way, Jay.  They lied (changing Adnan’s age to threaten him with capital murder) and railroaded a 17-year old boy, whose now spent his entire adult life behind bars for a crime he didn’t commit.  They deserve to pay, though they will likely never face any actions.

3.  I would like to see Kevin Urick disbarred for what he did on this case.  He has committed Brady violations, withheld evidence from the prosecution and ruined a 17-year old boys life.  He is despicable and should pay with his law license.

2.  I would like to see Hae’s killer face the consequences for their actions.  Bob Ruff says he knows who Hae’s killer is – I wish he would tell us who he thinks it is.  But Hae’s family deserves to know who killed their daughter – it was NOT Adnan Syed.

Lastly, I would like to see Adnan set free and exonerated of this crime.  The evidence brought to light by the Undisclosed team, and Bob Ruff, should be enough to prove that Adnan didn’t commit this crime.  Adnan deserves a second chance at life  – he deserves a family, a career, a life.  Both Adnan and Hae’s family have suffered for far too long.  The state needs to right this wrong once and for all – and set Adnan free.


Dear Sarah Koenig,

First and foremost, thank you for Serial.  Thank you for bringing Adnan Syed’s case to the world.  The world is grateful.

I’d like to remind you that you heard about this case from Rabia Chaudry, yet you have not mentioned her one time during your little closet-casts.  You mention “some new evidence came to light”.  Where did that evidence come from?  Undisclosed.  Why do you have such a problem mentioning this podcast by name?  They are not your competition and certainly deserve a mention.  By the way, having to listen to you and Dana banter like a couple of second-graders is super annoying.  You mentioned how you came to learn of the information about this case twice in the first mini-sode without mentioning where you got it.  UGH.

What’s most annoying, whoever, is the fact that you seem to be trying to prove to the world how unbiased on this case you are.  Your “doubts” about Asia are unfounded – everyone else who has tweeted or Periscoped about Asia’s testimony felt the complete opposite way.  YOU on Serial said that Asia is the missing link – she has proven to be so.  Now you are doubting her credibility based on the prosecutor?

You and Dana mentioned that maybe CG had a good reason for not calling Asia back in 1999 based on the March 2 letter.  What about the other 40+ alibi witnesses that CG didn’t contact?  Did she have a good reason for not calling them?  Let’s not forget that CG was disbarred, and that less 1% of all lawyers are disbarred.  That’s very telling about CG’s incompetence.

Please stop trying to show your unbiased and just give us the facts.  I’m enjoying the Undisclosed updates so much more than yours.


Serial Dynasty

Episode 15 of the Serial Dynasty was, in my opinion, one of the best episodes yet.  Bob thanked Ann for the debate last week, and thanked listeners for all their emails and tweets, etc., about the episode.

Bob then shifted his focused by simply stating that Adnan is innocent.  Bob said that beyond a doubt, Adnan, if tried again with all the new evidence brought to light by the Undisclosed podcast, would not be convicted of murdering Hae Min Lee.  Bob also stated that the case against Adnan disappears without Jay’s testimony, and I couldn’t agree more.  It’s amazing to me that 12 people believed Jay’s story, which changed multiple times.  Bob also stated that he doesn’t believe any of Jay’s testimony, and because he believes Adnan is innocent, the tone of show will change.  Going forward, it will be the mission of this show to find true killer of Hae Min Lee.

Bob wanted to discuss Undisclosed episode 9, called Charm City.  At first, Bob admitted he was disappointed in the show, stating that it hadn’t brought forward any new evidence.  Personally, it made me sad.  Then Bob listened again, and found the episode full of evidence not he had not considered.  The episode highlighted the corruption in the Baltimore Police Department, and we heard lots of detective’s name that we have heard in the past.  We heard about the detectives ignoring confessions and ignoring evidence, and it seems that sadly, there are lots of “Adnan’s” in prison in Maryland.  We heard the names Ritz and MacGillivary several times during this episode.

Bob stated that the problem in Baltimore lies above the detectives.  Those in power care only about statistics and image.  If you’ve watched “The Wire”, you saw this first hand.  The mayor was corrupt, and was constantly pressuring the police commissioner and his deputy to lower the crime rate.  As a sidebar about the Wire – it was depicted that a Lt. “legalized” drugs – by allowing drug dealers to sell in one location – as to lower the crime rate in a location that had high numbers in the past.  His idea worked – and then the mayor caught wind and all hell broke loose.  The Lt’s plan had lowered the crime rate, but at a cost.  This was how much pressure was put on the police to lower crime rates.  If you haven’t watched the Wire, I’d highly recommend.  End sidebar.

Bob noted that there seems to be a real issue in Baltimore, especially with crime clearance rates. Detectives have to clear cases or they will be demoted.  It’s not about justice, but about results, which is pretty clear in the way the detectives narrowed in on Adnan from the beginning.  Bob then applauded the Undisclosed team for bringing these cases to our attention.  Bob noted that Detectives Ritz & MacGillivary have been busted many times for improperly handling cases – he wondered how many times were they not caught?

Bob then posed this question – ask yourself this – do you believe Ritz & MacGillivary could have coerced “made up” testimony out of Jay?  For me, the answer in hell yes.  Bob then said something that surprised the shit out of me by saying that he now believes Jays testimony was coerced.   Bob reread all the transcripts, and truly believes that one of two things got the ball rolling to Adnan’s detriment – either Adnan asking Hae for the ride, or possibly Eneahy group report.  The cultural memo provided motive; a Muslim “man” doing an honor killing – which is ludicrous. The detectives convinced themselves about the honor killing theory.  There was NO evidence against Adnan – nothing.  There were two calls made from an area near Leakin park, which the Undisclosed team refuted with AT&T.  Jen was called multiple times during the day Hae went missing; we know Jay had Adnan’s phone that day.  It’s possible that Jay was in some other trouble.

Maybe the detectives threatened Jay with a murder charge.  Maybe they leaned on Jay; threatened to charge him with murder if he didn’t go along with their story.  Maybe the detectives told Jay they had a mountain of evidence against Adnan.  Bob then something equally surprising – that he’s feel sorry for Jay.  I have to say, that in a way, I feel sorry for him too.  The detectives consistently made Jay look like an idiot – by having him change his story, over and over, and most of his story was nonsensical (the trunk pop location changing, for example).

Bob also believes that Urick was involved early on.  I’ve believed this all along.  Bob also believes that Jay’s tears and apology were real – he knew he was sending an innocent man to jail.  Bob stated he believes that Urick and Ann Benaroya were following Serial closely – and told Jay NOT to speak to Sarah Koenig.  Jay’s interview was published first – and the burial time was changed, likely due to the lividity evidence.  Then Urick’s interview comes out, and again, he makes Jay look like an idiot.

Bob ended the episode by saying going forward, he’s going to shift his attention to the suspects, since he believes Adnan is innocent.  Next week he’s talking about Roy Davis, so jump on google and see what you can dig up on him and send it to Bob at theories@serialdynasty.com.

Keep up the good work, Bob.


My Two Cents on this week’s Serial Dynasty

This week’s Serial Dynasty featured an interview with Ann Brocklehurst, a self-described journalist, private investigator and feminist.  She agreed to come on the show and have a “debate” with Bob – she believes Adnan is guilty, while Bob believes Adnan is innocent.

I’m going to say this right now – I believe that Adnan is innocent.  I believe this based on the evidence I’ve heard on three different podcasts.  This is not my personal belief or personal feeling, this is based on evidence.

Below are Ann’s 12 reasons why she is sure, beyond sure, that Adnan is guilty.  I will applaud Bob for his decorum and professionalism during this interview.  I actually gave up about an hour in because Ann was pissing me off with her personal views, which were not based on any evidence.  I decided to go back and finish the interview.  Ann’s points are in italics below.  The rest are my thoughts. I will also note that for a journalist, there are a LOT of spelling mistakes below, which I am not correcting.  Just saying….

  • Adnan has no explanation whatsoever as to how he landed in this position. Yes, I know Deirdre Enright said innocent people often can’t help their case. But she was talking about not being able to find a body in a field as opposed to having no idea whatsoever why your buddy Jay might want to frame you for murder. People who work with killers will also tell you that this vaguey-vague “someone must have framed me but I don’t know why” explanation is a pretty common one among the guilty.
  • I’m sorry, how does this prove Adnan is guilty?  He has no idea how he landed in this position because he is INNOCENT and didn’t kill Hae.  I find this entire statement asinine and not based on any evidence.  Saying that him not knowing how he got in this position makes him guilty is just plain stupid.
  • Jay has no reason for framing Adnan nor does anyone else let alone Roy Sharonnie Davis or Ronald Lee Moore, who, between the two of them, probably have the combined IQ of a cactus plant.
  • Jay has good reason to frame Adnan – his grandmother’s house was being used to make drugs, and many people in his family were part of this drug business.  Framing Adnan took the heat of off Jay and kept the cops away from Granny’s house.  Roy Davis killed a Woodlawn student not long before Hae was killed.  It’s certainly possible that it was him or Ronald Lee Moore.  But we don’t know.  Why?  Because the corrupt cops working this case never processed ANY DNA evidence.
  • Adnan should remember what happened on that very un-normal day. He was called by police the same day his ex-girlfriend disappeared. He was interviewed by police two weeks later. The whole “I can’t remember that normal day six weeks ago” schtick is total BS. And Koenig was a sucker for believing it. There is no good explanation for why Adnan has no alibi. He was aware the day Hae went missing something was seriously wrong.
  • Let’s be clear about something – Adnan found out Hae was missing in the evening, after 6 pm.  Missing.  Adnan had no idea where Hae was.  As far as he knew, she could have run off with her NEW boyfriend, Don.  I don’t find that incriminating.  Ann pointed out several times during the interview that her memory was “fuzzy”.  Why is ok for Ann to be fuzzy about past events but not Adnan?  And let’s not forget the fact that Adnan was high that day.  Several people have indicated that he and Jay were smoking pot.  And he was a teenage boy.  Have you met one of them, Ann?  I tell my 16 year old son something and he forgets five minutes later.  Adnan had moved on from Hae – he was with Nisha.  Of course that day was not significant for him.
  • Adnan has consistently lied about how people reacted to Hae’s disppearance, claiming it was no big deal, which is completely implausible. Hae had a new a boyfriend, a class trip to France booked, and university to look forward to. There was no way she’d take off to California in the middle of her senior year.
  • This is simply not true, and I’d love the see the evidence to back this claim up.  As soon as Friday, January 15, Adnan became concerned when Hae did not show up to a party.  Ann forgets that the Woodlawn students were out of school the rest of that week, so Adnan would really have no way to know anything about Hae’s disappearance.  In all the episodes of Serial, Undisclosed, and Serial Dynasty I’ve listened to, I’ve never heard anyone make this claim.  Which leads me to believe this is Ann’s thought.  Which means nothing.
  • Adnan’s good friend Imran appears to have been actively trying to discourage Hae’s California friends from looking for her a week after her disappearance, when, according to Adnan, no one was concerned she was gone.
  • In my opinion, Bob obliterated Ann on this one, proving that she was talking about a different Imran.  She stuttered with her response, after a LONG pause.  Not sure what this has to do with Adnan anyway.  What difference does it make what Imran’s doing to Adnan?  Another senseless, Ann based point.
  • Adnan had no reason for lending Jay his car. The idea that he was concerned about Jay getting a birthday present for Stephanie is laughable.
  • Hey Ann, did you miss the many times it was mentioned Jay DID NOT OWN A CAR???????  Of course it would make sense for Adnan to loan Jay his car to buy a gift for Adnan’s very good friend Stephanie.  In fact, several people pointed out that Adnan had lent Jay his car on a few occasions.  So because you’ve decided Jay had no reason to borrow the car makes Adnan guilty?  Please.
  • Adnan lied about asking Hae for a ride, contradicting the testimony of Krista and Debbie.
  • Nope, another lie on Ann’s part, and another point she was hit by Bob.  Several people testified that they heard Adnan ask for a ride and they heard Hae say no, that she had something to do. Read the documents on Undisclosed.
  • Adnan wrote “I’m going to kill” on a break-up note from Hae telling him to back off. (If you think that’s no biggie, let me know how you feel about it when you see your daughters writing a note like that and then discover the recipient’s decorated it with “I’m going to kill.”)
  • While I will admit it was a stupid thing to write, this really doesn’t prove anything.  It’s been talked about on Undisclosed and I feel it was put to rest.
  • Adnan exhibited other stalkery behaviour towards Hae. She hid from him at school and wrote in her diary that he was possessive.
  • Ann mentioned the fact that the French teacher was told Hae was not coming to a lab because she was hiding from Adnan, because they’d had a fight.  Pretty much everyone else disputes what Ann says here – that Adnan was not a stalker or possessive of Hae.  To me, this is typical teenage girl drama.  And it sounds like Hae was close to this teacher.
  • Adnan never tried to contact Hae after January 13th even though he called her three times the night before.
  • Um, Ann, NEITHER DID DON, her current boyfriend.  Adnan called Hae the night before, yes, but only spoke to her once, to give her his new cell number.  I find it more odd that Don never reached out to her than Adnan.  And again, they were not in school for almost a week after Hae’s disappearance due to weather/end of semester.  I’ll concede it’s weird he never called her.
  • There is no explanation for the Nisha call other than an improbable butt dial.
  • In my opinion, it’s been proven on Undisclosed that the Nisha call could not have been placed by Adnan, based on the time of the come and get me call.  I believe that Jay called Nisha by mistake on Adnan’s cell phone, which Jay had in his possession the entire day.
  • Adnan’s cell phone records place him in Leakin Park burying Hae’s body.
  • Nope, they do not.  Undisclosed got documentation from AT&T that incoming calls cannot be used to determine location.  And the lividity evidence proves that there is NO WAY Hae could have been buried at 7pm.

In conclusion, nothing Ann notes is enough to prove guilt.  She stated that she believes Jay.  That’s the first clue.  Jay lied repeatedly throughout this case, and at the end of the interview, Ann said “Oh Jay, why can’t you just get your story straight?”  This is someone we’re supposed to believe?  I was also appalled when Ann stated that Sarah Koenig has Hae’s pager records.  Where is she getting this information from?  Nobody has Hae’s pager records. I never heard Sarah or anyone else say this.  Just lies.

I believe that Bob won the debate and did a fantastic job of disproving pretty much everything Ann said.  Good job, Bob.